Sep 20, 2024  •  For Sale  •  18 Comments

Which Motor? 1969 Pontiac GTO Convertible

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Total originality is often a key selection criterion when assessing the relative worth of a desirable classic like this 1969 Pontiac GTO Convertible. The closer it is to its factory form, the better its long-term investment potential will typically be. This car presents superbly, with the seller indicating the winning bidder can select between two engines to power their new purchase. However, their approach is somewhat creative. Why not take a closer look to see what you think?

There’s a lot to unpack with this GTO, making it difficult to know where to start. The seller states that it doesn’t have an accident history, receiving a repaint around sixteen years ago in its original Windward Blue Metallic. The process included rust repairs, and the lack of subsequent deterioration suggests the work was completed to a high standard. The rust hasn’t made a return visit, the paint shines impressively, and the panels are as straight as an arrow. The hood was replaced during the refurbishment, bringing us to the first change potential buyers may wish to reverse. The first owner ordered this GTO with the ultra-desirable hood tach, but this disappeared at that time. Good original units occasionally appear on the usual online auction sites, and high-quality reproductions are also readily available. I find it strange that the feature wasn’t reinstated during the build because it is a highly sought-after option. The seller is unsure whether the existing Rally II wheels are original, and their confusion might be because they don’t rate a mention on the Delivery Invoice. The headlamp doors require attention since they only operate manually, but the trim, glass, and Black power top, are excellent.

Okay, we’ve reached the point where this GTO’s story becomes slightly confusing, and the seller’s approach is “creative.” This classic rolled off the line equipped with a 400ci V8, a three-speed Turbo Hydramatic transmission, and power-assisted steering and front disc brakes. The 400 produced 350hp and 455 ft/lbs of torque, providing performance befitting a 1960s muscle car. However, the 400 has made way for a warmed 455ci powerplant that should increase the available power and torque. The car runs and drives well, and you might think that is the end of the story. Oh, how wrong you are. The seller retained the factory 400, allowing the winning bidder to reinstate the car’s numbers-matching status. The V8 is in good health, and they are willing to forward a video of it running to interested parties. They are happy to include this motor in the deal…for an additional $5,000 beyond the GTO’s sale price! Would you like them to install it for you? Sure, they will do so for a mere $2,500. The seller added extra information in their listing, indicating that if the bidding tops $49,000, they will throw in the original powerplant for free. There is more to consider, because someone made the unusual decision to remove the front disc brakes from this car for another GTO project, replacing them with drums. Therefore, that is another expense the buyer faces if they plan to return this classic to its factory form.

An initial appraisal suggests that this GTO’s interior presents as well as the exterior, but we again face a few seemingly odd changes. The first owner ordered this gem with power windows, but the seller believes these were changed to manual items during the refresh. The glovebox houses an aftermarket stereo that isn’t connected, and the wiring and factory tape player are missing. Delving deeper reveals that large parts of the under-dash wiring harness were cut at some point, meaning that some features don’t function. It appears the only answer will be a rewire, adding further to the vehicle cost. The console is missing the shifter quadrant and lights, and the factory radio is inoperative. However, the upholstered surfaces look okay, there is no significant carpet wear, and driving this classic with the top down shouldn’t cause the new owner shame.

The seller listed this 1969 Pontiac GTO Convertible here on eBay in Neosho, Missouri. Seventeen bids have pushed the price beyond the reserve to $40,201 with the auction end drawing near. This classic leaves me torn, and not just because the seller has a creative way of reinstating its numbers-matching status. The included documentation suggests it has lost some key features during its refurbishment, and the winning bidder faces additional expense to return the car to its factory form. However, the bidding history suggests that people are unconcerned or willing to spend money to achieve that goal. Do you feel the same?

Comments

  1. StanMember
    Sep 20, 2024 at 7:57pm

    Pkg deal here Clarkey 😃

    Like 1
  2. Jeff
    Sep 20, 2024 at 7:59pm

    I disapprove of hostage negotiations.

    Sell the car with the parts or don’t mention them for sale. The owner should realize NOM loose’s him money.

    I would not purchase from this kind of seller.

    I hope the NOM car has a good life…

    Like 16
    • Steve R
      Sep 20, 2024 at 8:32pm

      You are right. There are a lot of problems/shortcuts taken with this car. Parts expensive removed, work not finished (missing heater hoses), pay extra for original engine. He’s likely to make a potential buyer pay through the nose for the original engine, especially if the negotiation for it isn’t done as a package, with the car itself.

      There are too many ways for this sale to go badly, there are enough other GTO convertibles out there that I’d give this car a hard pass.

      Steve R

      Like 13
  3. JoeNYWF64
    Sep 20, 2024 at 8:16pm

    Skinny tires for a GTO. Ok if it had a 6 cyl.

    Like 3
  4. Vince
    Sep 21, 2024 at 8:15am

    There is something goofy about that car, the pontiac emblem on the trunk was never on a GTO, but it is a 242 car and has the correct GTO crest on the rear quarters. I would have it independently inspected for sure.

    Like 7
    • Mike J
      Sep 21, 2024 at 9:07am

      A mish-mash convoluted story on this car is enough to take pause. Hard pass for me.

      Like 8
  5. Bruce MMember
    Sep 21, 2024 at 9:11am

    too many deleted variables for me at that rare atmosphere; restoring this, given its good looking status, would push the restore budget past my interests. There are enough intact examples around.

    Like 2
  6. hairyolds68
    Sep 21, 2024 at 10:26am

    the o/e motor should go with car no matter what the price is. i agree with the other posts that it looks like corner were cut and in correct parts installed. most likely the deck lid is from a lemans and was replaced due to rust and never bothered to remove those emblems. too many other better examples out there. PASS!

    Like 7
  7. Mike F
    Sep 21, 2024 at 1:47pm

    So, the owner had 2 GTOs and made this a parts donor for the other one. My guess is that major electrical issues with this one led to the changeover to manual windows. Another parts swap to the more favored Goat. Creative reassembly of a parts car at a huge profit.

    Like 2
  8. Barnaby Wilde
    Sep 21, 2024 at 2:03pm

    How much do they want for the factory installed trim rings? It aint no Judge!

    Like 1
  9. Rudy C
    Sep 21, 2024 at 4:18pm

    This smells more like a VIN swap than anything else, too many oddly removed valuable pieces/parts… I’d guess the car the ‘original’ engine came out of was wrecked and it’s VIN got attached to this one and they hung on to the engine.

    Like 3
  10. Greg G
    Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38am

    Hey thanks for throwing in the original engine at 50k. I don’t care what you sell it for the original engine should be part of the deal or no sell.

    Like 2
  11. Scott Scheer
    Sep 22, 2024 at 9:04am

    Sketchy from every angle!

    Like 2
  12. JeffMember
    Sep 22, 2024 at 9:13am

    I agree with the original engine comments. If it truly is a matching, I want to see the pictures. I’d like to see the VIN tag not just the trim plate. If the seller gets the $40k+ for it, I need to raise the insured value on mine again.

    Like 0
  13. John PMember
    Sep 22, 2024 at 8:13pm

    Can’t even leave a real comment with out getting flagged

    Like 1
  14. Ictgoat
    Sep 23, 2024 at 4:58am

    I just got the motor and trans back in one of these after 8 months at a reputable engine builder. This is not a small expense these days. I don’t know how anyone could spend this kind of $$ and not know who did the work. So for an added $2500 they’ll throw the original engine back in the car. I’m sure that will be full of cut corners as are the rest of the details on this one.

    Like 1
  15. PRA4SNW PRA4SNWMember
    Oct 5, 2024 at 10:35am

    SOLD for $40,201.
    Based on the commentary here, the new owner will need some luck.

    Like 0

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